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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:08 pm 
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Hi All after some info and feed back on cambars.

I have both DB Rocks and Campines. Is the Cambar a Gold Campine over DB Rock Hen?

Has any one had any experience? or Photos?

Looking to experiment next season :P

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Yes, Campine, either gold or silver over a rock hen. I have been doing it for a while now, but dont know when you actually have a Cambar!


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Hey Gus,

do you have any photo's,
Does the Campine male being a little smaller than the rock 8) cause any major difficulties?

and how is the sex linking working for you?

Cheers Raylene


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I will try to get some photo;s. The size isnt a problem at all, the sex linking works perfectly and they are very good layers. The roosters look like a Campine with rock colouring while the hens look, in shape and size, like a campine hen. They have some barring, either gold or silver but are mainly black


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Thanks For your help Gus, can't wait for the photo's
now all we need is someone to tell us when we can call the offspring Cambar's :P

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This is not an overnight program. You must put a gold campine rooster over a barred plymouth rock. from that mating keep the best barred cockerel and disgard all pullets. Mate this cockerel to gold campine hens. From this offspring mate the brown barred cockerels to the brown barred pullets disgard any blacks and black barred. the barred brown males and females from this cross are pure cambars. chechout this link and just replace the leghorn with the cambar.
http://forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewto ... ght=legbar


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thanks lefletch, had the same info pm'd to me 8)

I now have a project :lol:

so we a are talking at least 4th generation before the cross starts to breed true, and heavy culling.

I'm looking into my crystal ball and can see that hubby will be building pens all summer. :P

what would peolpe recommend to begin this task?

how many adults of the parent stock how many of f1, f2 etc to produce a viable breeding population?


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here is a link for an auto sexing web site http://forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewtopic.php?t=8483 try and get some one else involved from outside your area that would be using different blood to you. any other people trying this breed? you could swap bloodlines to keep vigour, keep 2 lines yourself as far as how many, how much pen space do you have? this is up to you.
Some one might be interested in starting an Autosexing breeders club?


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Not working on Cambars...but Rhodebars.

F1 are on the ground so in 4 or 5 months should have some F2's. :)

It is possible to outcross a pure RIR hen into the autosexing rhodebar line to introduce new blood, and use the resulting pullets with the rhodebar roosters. This gives new blood and keeps the barring factor.

I imagine it may be the same for cambars. Not sure.

Apparently the distinction between the sexes is not always very clear cut in the autosexing breeds and may need work.

If you can get yourself an understanding of how the sexlink barring gene works it will help you understand how the autosexing works and might help with your selection process.

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space we have pleanty of, :D

at the moment we have 4 pens each 8m x 5m not including housing, and
materials for 2 more of the same.

I love working for a Housing Company :P

however having said that the Barnies, Rocks and growers have a pen each.

luckily my nearest neighbour if 500 meters away and is going deaf :twisted:

Wondering if there is any one interested in taking up the challange with me, I'm in Western Vic

Cheers Raylene


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ISAGreen wrote:
It is possible to outcross a pure RIR hen into the autosexing rhodebar line to introduce new blood, and use the resulting pullets with the rhodebar roosters. This gives new blood and keeps the barring factor.

I imagine it may be the same for cambars. Not sure.


You sure can do the same, and a damn good point as i have done this in the past with my legbars.


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Hey guys, have been watching this thread with interest. I was wondering if someone can enlighten me on a few questions I have.

Is the idea of making Cambars, Rhodebars or Legbars, so you can have the good qualitys of the Campine, RIR, Leghorn, but also have the Barred colouring so you can auto sex them at hatching?

By crossing with the Rocks do you lose any egg laying ability from the other breeds?

Do Rhodebars etc still look like what they were made from, apart from the Barred colouring? eg: still the same shape and type as a RIR

I assume that you could make all breeds "something"bar, but it would only be useful for breeds that are layers, as this is the idea to be able to sex pullets at hatching? So something like a Sussexbar would defeat the purpose as it is not a great layer and is also bred for meat so you would just grow all the chicks and eat the males.

Will these auto sexing breeds then not be classed as pure breed?

Thanks Brendan


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Hi Brendan,

Yeah, i'm doing it to have sexable chicks....if i can get at least 80% sexability then i'm happy.

And i want good layers so am using a utility line of rir. You only cross the rock in once to get the barring factor so the bird ends up more like the original father breed. Basically, rhodebars look just like rir except with barring. It is much fainter on the girls, apparently.

Some British pics here: http://www.geocities.com/markspoultry/Rhodebar.html

If you can get them to the stage where they are breeding true and sexable at hatching, then they are considered a pure breed. Well, thats my goal, anyway! :lol:

La Fletche....what king of sexing percentage do you get with your legbars? Did you "create" them yourself?

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I am wanting to obatian a reasonable laying bird that is autosexing and breeds true

the colouring is a bonus, and I really have a soft spot for the rare breeds. :oops:

I also have the chook bug in a big way :P and love all the gentic loops and folds you can find yourself in if you want to delve further than having a couple of backyord layers and I am fortunate enough to have the space 30a to play on :D :D

others I cant speak for, but they probly have the chook bug as well :twisted:

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oops missed the crossing with the rocks bit.

I'm lucky enough to have a really good laying strain of rocks ( until the roo was killed :cry: )
I have 4 hens and get 3 eggs per day.( still well marked but the baring on the hackles needs to be worked on)

better laying rate than I get from the barnies.

however now that i've bragged about them, i'll go home tonight and two of them will have gone broody :shock:

Cheers Raylene


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